Ice T vs Soulja Boy: This Has Nothing to do With Old School vs New School, It's Good vs Bad Hip Hop

News Type: Event — Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:02 PM EDT

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Did Soulja Boy kill hip hop?

Hell yeah, that little shit!
18%
No, but he's contributing to hip hop's downfall.
56%
Who the heck is Soulja Boy?
14%
Ice T should eat a dick!
12%

Total Votes: 425

"Wamy UUUUUU!"
WTF?

"@!$%# Soulja Boy!"

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So some of you may have already heard about the latest beef in hip hop. Ice T recently took a shot at Soulja Boy while making a mixed tape, accusing the the youngster of single-handedly killing hip hop. Be that as it may, Soulja Boy responded with his own video.

He might seem like a joker, but he knows that Ice T is trying to stir up some attention for himself, create buzz for his new mixtape and the project he worked on recently. Of course, Soulja blames the veteran's age for his opinions, calling Ice T old, offers a few jokes and solemnly pointed out that it's inappropriate for someone like Ice T - whom he respects - to tell him to "eat a dick."

Ice T humbled himself (ever so slightly) and responded, apologizing for his inappropriate remarks made in anger. He did however, reiterated other things, standing on a soapbox about how there are kids who actually go into the studio and write. He also wanted to make sure people understand that it's not about new school vs old school, or east vs west; it's about quality and Soulja Boy's music is not quality. Ice T may be on a soapbox but his message is very salient and representative of what many hip hop lovers are feeling.

I wanna reply to all this internet drama goin' down. I said something about this cat Soulja Boy while I was making a mixed tape...The cats took it...you know they basically was askin' me how I feel about it...you know, the state of hip hop and Soulja Boy, and I went on one. So I appologize Soulja Boy for telling you to eat a dick.

Truthfully, a brotha of my caliber should not be talking down to a youngster of your age. But as far as your music goes, it's garbage...and I'm sayin' that for all of hip hop. Hip hop has gotta last forever and it can't with you doin' that "Superman" bull@!$%#. That @!$%# is wack...And you may feel like "well Ice T you shouldn't have said that," well you shouldn't have responded pimpin'...You was supposed to take that. See, sometimes when old school brothas try to tell you something, you supposed to just accept it and keep it movin'.

Back in the days, these two would settle all this with a battle to see who had the better flows. In this case it's probably a good thing that these two aren't battling. If they were though, my money would be on Ice T. Freestyling ain't got nothing to do with old school or new school; it's all about the flow.

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kymlee

It's mildly amusing to watch someone like Ice T latch on to a young whippersnapper like Soulja Boy to get a little attention. The man is a hip hop legend and when he's not rambling, he did drop some wisdom.

That Soulja Boy video is pretty funny though...

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5 votes

#1 - Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:04 PM EDT

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Brian Ford

Wow. I didn't bother looking until this article.

You really thought it was funny?

He actually tried to slam Ice-T by telling him he "was so old -- you used to drive wood cars..."

Wow. Not to mention the best dig in the entire video (@!$%# the police) turns out to have been about the wrong old rapper. He also goes on to mention his status as a roll model, but spends 5 minutes saying "old ass nigga" over and over. He comes across as a rich, unfunny, spoiled star, complaining about his hard life, while living in a ridiculously nice house at age 17.

Boy, the hip hop life must be hard these days.

All of this, of course, ignores whether or not Ice-T was right or not, as I don't know anything about Soulja boy's music.

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7 votes

#2 - Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:15 PM EDT

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kymlee

I thought it was funny in the sense that Soulja Boy sounds young and foolish, and as you said:

He also goes on to mention his status as a roll model, but spends 5 minutes saying "old ass nigga" over and over. He comes across as a rich, unfunny, spoiled star...

It's obvious he's a kid, but he's a pretty big influence on other kids since he became a ~~pop~~ hip hop phenomenon.

I don't know anything about Soulja boy's music.

He's the one with the "Superman" song (which you may or may not have heard) that talks about doing this. I actually had to sit down with my son and explain why the song was derogatory toward women. People think it's cute when the kids to the dance and sing along, bu they have no idea what he's saying...

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4 votes

#2.1 - Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:06 PM EDT

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Samantha Gluck

Ice T rules! Soulja boy has nothin on him!

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2 votes

#3 - Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:50 PM EDT

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Eric Atienza

Lebron James owned Soulja Boy, and now he wants to try and step to Ice T? Yeah right...

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3 votes

#4 - Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:42 PM EDT

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Jared Kardos

I'm not sure if Soulja Boy literally killed Hip-Hop, but I know my reaction to that "superman" song: Have we gone @!$%#ing insane or lost our taste as a public?

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3 votes

#5 - Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:17 PM EDT

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Scott (Scoop) Butki

Have we gone @!$%#ing insane or lost our taste as a public?

We have to choose?

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1 vote

#5.1 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:29 AM EDT

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kymlee

Have we gone @!$%#ing insane or lost our taste as a public?

The first time I had that reaction was when I heard the skeet skeet song. I heard people - kids - singing it and had visceral reactions. My brother had a modified version of the song where they sand a silly song about chicken; "skeet skeet" was not included. That's the version my kids were allowed to sing. Not because ejaculating is not a natural thing that they shouldn't understand, but because I didn't want them singing some song about doing it.

I think the music industry, and quite possibly media in general has lost it's way...or maybe it found its way - to make the money flow. Media is, after all, a business; much of it held in conglomerate by gazillionaire moguls.

::sigh::

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2 votes

#5.2 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:56 AM EDT

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Jared Kardos

My brother had a modified version of the song where they sand a silly song about chicken; "skeet skeet" was not included.

PLEASE tell me this isn't the song you're talking about.

I post this for two reasons:

1. I'm a cl@!$%#.

2. The key word "chicken" reminded me of this song and to prove a point: Soulja Boy may suck, but THAT is what killed hip-hop.

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1 vote

#5.3 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:56 AM EDT

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kymlee

No that's not it, but that was pretty funny though. That's the kind of thing you know is a joke. And it didn't go mainstream with kids across the country doing the "crank dat" dance.

What's a cl@!$%#?

The so called downfall of hip hop is really just a mainstreaming of rap music. Hip Hop still exists in many parts of the country the way it did before, as a culture. Backpackers meeting up in their spots to battle and break. The shift in content started a long time ago. But let us not forget that there was always the silly MC.

I say society is killing the image of hip hop...if that makes sense...

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4 votes

#5.4 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:50 AM EDT

{"commentId":2071300,"authorDomain":"darkknightjrk"}

Jared Kardos

This is a Cl@!$%#.

I get ya, and myself and the bastards I know online that try to one-up each other by posting the worst music possible are probably the only people who ever saw it, but still...Jesus.

And I know there's other stuff in hip-hop then @!$%#ja Boy, and that's the problem: So many actually talented people are barely known while guys like him rank in millions.

Here's another one I considered posting instead.

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3 votes

#5.5 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:35 AM EDT

{"commentId":2071427,"authorDomain":"kymlee"}

kymlee

I'm more of a classy @!$%#...

Now that's pretty funny. :)

That last link though...OMG

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3 votes

#5.6 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:40 AM EDT

{"commentId":2073826,"authorDomain":"darkknightjrk"}

Jared Kardos

I take it you've never had to smell your significant other's...well, you know? :P

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2 votes

#5.7 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:12 PM EDT

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Samantha Gluck

I heard the skeet skeet song.

I've been listening to that song a while now and I just learned what 'skeet skeet' meant yesterday. I was astonished and shocked! I thought he was saying 'ski ski' and that it was a drug reference. I don't condone drug use at all for any reason, but somehow when I thought that is what he meant it didn't shock me. Boy, have I got a lot to learn.... still.

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2 votes

#5.8 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:55 PM EDT

{"commentId":2074853,"authorDomain":"kymlee"}

kymlee

I take it you've never had to smell your significant other's..

That's besides the point. ;)

Why does there have to be a song about it? And if there has to be a song, why can't it at least be classy (for the lack of a better word) and/or sexy. There was nothing sexy about that video. Plus, she didn't want to smell it because she was aroused by it, she wanted to make sure he didn't smell like someone else. Meh...

I just learned what 'skeet skeet' meant yesterday.

I knew what it was right away and was kinda surprised when people I thought were pretty well versed in slang, didn't know what it meant. There was another one by Lil Jon and the Ying Yang twins that was pretty vulgar too. I will say this though...the songs really got clubs/parties jumping. Even so called up-scale clubs would deteriorate into mayhem when Lil Jon songs play.

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2 votes

#5.9 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:05 PM EDT

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Samantha Gluck

Even so called up-scale clubs would deteriorate into mayhem when Lil Jon songs play.

I know that's right sistah! First hand! mmmm hmmm

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2 votes

#5.10 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:10 PM EDT

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Jared Kardos

Oh I get you completely, Kym. I just thought it was hilarious. Like the internet meme says best, "I did it for the lulz."

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2 votes

#5.11 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:59 PM EDT

{"commentId":2093665,"authorDomain":"damiankd"}

DamianKD

Have we gone @!$%#ing insane or lost our taste as a public?

Yes.

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1 vote

#5.12 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 10:49 AM EDT

{"commentId":2096172,"authorDomain":"darkknightjrk"}

Jared Kardos

Oh, I'm reminded of something I learned in this article--I always thought "Soulja Boy" was the title of the song, not the name of the, ahem, artist.

Yeah. I'm wearing the big "Unassuming Whitey" hat now.

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1 vote

#5.13 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 3:30 PM EDT

{"commentId":2096572,"authorDomain":"kymlee"}

kymlee

LOL, don't feel bad Jered. It's "Crank Dat (Soulja Boy)" and most of the time I heard people refer to it as the "Soulja Boy song," so I think a lot of people think that's the name of the song.

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1 vote

#5.14 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 4:07 PM EDT

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prompt

Soulja Boy created a catchy beat, marketed the song himself on YouTube and MySpace, and made millions showing little vocal talent. Did he kill hip hop? Hell no - the fans did. Soulja Boy is only popular because the public loved him, talent or not. Is he a good hip hop artist? Hell no. But he made his, and I can respect him for that.

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6 votes

#6 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:56 AM EDT

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kymlee

Hmmm...I didn't know Soulja Boy was an internet star gone mainstream. Thanks Jon!

Soulja Boy created a catchy beat, marketed the song himself on YouTube and MySpace

Sounds like a new media twist on the mixtape. Would that make him the first official social networking hip hop star?

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4 votes

#6.1 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:02 AM EDT

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prompt

He is definitely one of the first to really make decent money off social networking fame. From Wikipedia:

In November 2005, Way posted his songs on the video-based social community YouTube. Following positive reviews on the site, Soulja Boy then established his own web pages on YouTube and MySpace.[5][6] In March 2007, he recorded "Crank That" and released his first independent album Unsigned and Still Major, followed by a low-budget video filmed demonstrating the "Soulja Boy" dance. By the end of May 2007, "Crank That (Soulja Boy)" received its first airplay and Soulja Boy met with Mr. Collipark to sign a deal with Interscope Records.

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5 votes

#6.2 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:52 AM EDT

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Christian Cipollini

Soulja Boy... hmmm. Maybe I am caught in the 80's too much, but as both a product of that time and as a music journalist (who has never spoken to Soulja, but a slew of his contemporary peers), I have to say --- Ice T was/is a part of what hip-hop was supposed to be derived from and based upon. The "Boy" has made the top of the charts thanks to marketing to an all-too-eager younger generation, so yes... the public made him a --- and I say this very loosely --- hip-hop star. In the long run however, the Ice-T's, Public Enemy's, House of Pain's, Cypress Hill's and so on will be the artists who've produced albums that will outlast these newbies entire lifetimes. So then, even a talentless over-produced radio-friendly hack has a place in music, but the fun usually won't last when it's all based on... well, nothing of substance.

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#7 - Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:34 PM EST

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